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Goku with virus vs goku post yardrat
Topic Started: Jul 19 2014, 04:00 PM (1,602 Views)
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Jul 21 2014, 02:46 AM
because he doesn't spend several panels powering up.
Check out his second transformation against Freeza.
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He isn't 100% there since Freeza is so much weaker than before.


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Jul 21 2014, 02:46 AM
There's no reason why he wouldn't be suppressed. In fact it's heavily implied that he is because he doesn't spend several panels powering up. He just turns SSJ and then proceeds to block everything Trunks throws at him. Although Goku does state that trunks is holding back if I recall. There's also no reason why sick Goku has to be ahead of that. The virus could be causing all sorts of issues for all we know. You could argue that Yardrat Goku wouldn't have been able to fight 19 like he did but that's only depends on where you place pre absorbtion 19. Personally I don't have him very strong at all. Minimum he is Namek SSJ Goku. Maximum he is Trunks meeting Goku. But it's all just guesswork since no numbers are ever given.

You think as soon as he transforms he's at 100%? Nah. Granted he can't force it down like he does after ROSAT training but he still has a semblance of control. Hence how even Trunks could hold back.
Yeah Goku does state the Trunks held back but Trunks states that Goku is better than he expected

Which puts Goku > Trunks' expectations > Trunks.

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There is no suppressing for those guys yet.


How can you be so sure about that KP.

What about the panel with SSJ Goku sparring with Piccolo. You think that's Goku is full power there?

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That's fine. I'm just trying to argue that there's no way Goku would have showed 100% of his power in that little display. He showed no effort at all. Plus I don't rate the first androids and on top of that I believe that virus caused lots of issues for Goku. That's all I'm saying here. It's obvious that Yardrat Goku>> Trunks. What's not quite so obvious is how much the virus affected him or exactly how strong 19 really was.


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I think there's quite a difference between using less effort and powering down. Powering down for Super Saiyans was unlikely before the RoSaT (goin' with resting ki and fighting ki, ya know).
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I understand that but it still doesn't mean he has to be showing 100%. He may not be able to push it down to 2% but he can still reduce output. I'd say that he was using 80% at most against Trunks.

I must admit, you do have a point. SSJ was initially difficult to control. But I reckon going from 0 to 100% in a flash would have made them explode. They need a bit of time to charge up, even before ROSAT.


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I don't think they would have exploded or suffered detrimental effects. Vegeta never underwent a power-up against #19 but he was still compared to Goku's maximum right off the bat. It may just be a fighter's resting ki feels smaller than their fighting ki, as if the blood isn't pumping quite yet.

To compare it to something in our world, maybe you could look at working out? Someone before their workout would generally look clean, nonchalant, comfortable, and not really imposing. After or during a workout, though, they'd likely have a "pump," with their veins bulging and their muscles engorged with blood. The latter would appear stronger than the former, even though they'd be the same level of power.

Goku and Trunks in their sparring session = someone about to work out.
Goku and Trunks in a serious brawl = someone with a pump.

Same power levels regardless, but they're just exerting more effort in a serious fight so they're appearing even stronger.

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Sick Goku has the advantage early and then fades, much like he did vs 19.
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